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Tuesday, October 7, 2025

Episode 89: Stefan Fatsis

We'll talk about a favorite subject for the next That Word Chat: dictionaries and the state of lexicography, with Stefan Fatsis, author of Unabridged: The Thrill of (and Threat to) the Modern Dictionary.

 

To tell the story of the dictionary, Fatsis embedded himself at Merriam-Webster as a lexicographer-in-training. The book tells the history and art of dictionary-making, and it looks at the modern threats to the field of defining and the commercial viability for one of the most widely circulated categories of publication.

 

Fatsis is the author of the bestseller Word Freak, about the world of competitive Scrabble; A Few Seconds of Panic, about life in the National Football League; and Wild and Outside, about minor league baseball. In four decades as a journalist, Fatsis has written and talked for Slate, The Wall Street Journal, NPR, The New York Times, Sports Illustrated, and many other outlets. He lives in Washington, D.C.

Unabridged debuts in the U.S. on Oct. 14.

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